2006 Johnson 90 Hp 4 Stroke Motor Reviews
| Writer | Topic: Honda ninety Reputation |
| boatdryver |  posted 01-28-2006 09:28 AM ET (US)  I'd be interested in hearing of feel with Honda 90-HP outboard motors, which people have complained about being equipped with carburetors. What have been owners' experiences with the reliability, longevity, and availability of qualified service people for Honda xc-HP outboard motors? Having carburetors, exercise these non crave an expensive computer chip which may neglect? Jim |
| JustinAndersen | posted 01-28-2006 xi:27 AM ET (US) My ninety Honda was a dealer'southward demo motor when I bought it along with a new Montauk in September of 2000. Information technology was estimated to accept roughly 100 hours on information technology then, and I have put probably another i,000 hours with absolutely no problems. I traded up from a 13 Sport with a two-stroke Mercury 40, and I was blown abroad by the Honda compared to the Mercury. Even with a much bigger boat, the fuel economy, range, and quietness were listen-blowing. But a lot of that is but iv-stroke vs. ii-stroke and non just a Honda characteristic. That existence said, the dealer/service network (or lack thereof) has always been a concern for me, and as the motor gets older I'm getting more nervous. The marina on every trivial lake will service either Mercury or Johnson/Evinrude, but if your Honda (or Suzuki, Yamaha) quits, yous could exist putting your boat on a trailer and driving for an hr or so. If information technology weren't for Honda'due south legendary reliability, I would exist seriously considering a new motor at this point. When I purchased it the number of four-stroke options available was lower than now. I went with Honda as I've always had great luck with their motors (bikes, pumps, pressure washers, lawnmowers, etc.) but if I were to purchase a four-stroke now I would seriously consider the other brands. I always try to buy "Due north American" if I can. I sit in the middle of the carburetor debate. On i manus you're right, you don't have the complicated electronics that can neglect and cost you a lot of coin on repairs. Farther, a carburetor motor is that much more than uncomplicated, which means it's that much more like shooting fish in a barrel to gear up by a klutz like me. On the other paw, motors with electronic fuel injection are more efficient, which translates into a better horsepower to weight ratio, ameliorate fuel consumption, etc. To summarize, my Honda has been a great motor. Entirely reliable, quiet and smooth. Just if I were to buy a new xc at present I'd actually exist looking at those low-horsepower Verado motors [the smallest Verado is 135-HP] or jump up to Mercury 115 EFI which is the aforementioned cake (thus same weight) as the 90. |
| boatdryver | posted 01-28-2006 12:02 PM ET (U.s.) Thanks for that detailed respond. Whatever more input out there in Whaler state? Jim |
| high sierra | posted 01-28-2006 02:00 PM ET (US) boatdryver, Honda's are first-class products. Well made, quiet, reliable and tough. If it was a choice between a fuel-injection Honda and a carburetor model, I would take the fuel-injection model for sure. The electronics these days are much more trouble free than carburetors. Merely if the motor was a great buy, and with carburetors, and I liked it, I wouldn't hesitate to get it. high sierra |
| Perry | posted 01-28-2006 03:47 PM ET (Usa) Honda has been making the BF90 for 10 years now and I see many of them on commercial fishing boats here. Some take over 5000 hours on them. I owned one for years that ran great and never had any problems. Neat fuel economy and very reliable. Unproblematic blueprint from the Honda Civic and the BF90 had no computer (ECM). I was too able to pull beginning it with a dead battery. |
| cwilcox | posted 01-28-2006 05:34 PM ET (US) I had two on the back of a workboat on a breakwater project in Alaska. We never had any maintenance problems and consequently didn't even wait under the cowlings. We may accept inverse the oil once in the two season bridge we used them. The merely fourth dimension it would give us the warning overheat indicate is when we plugged up the intake with kelp. I pushed our 140' barge all over the place with those engines. I e'er was confident running the 14 miles to Common cold Bay to pick someone upward when the weather condition shut down the planes. Two engines and GPS is a reassuring combination. Nosotros had a Munson 24' aluminum built hull that took the weight with ease. All-time regards, C.Wilcox |
| skred | posted 01-29-2006 12:11 PM ET (US) I bought my 99 Dauntless xvi in 2003 with the original 90 Honda iv-stroke. Ran information technology extensively for a year, and never -never - had a hitch. Super quiet, neat on fuel, and enough of power. One outing nosotros covered 55+ miles - one mode was pretty rough and nosotros had to run at les than ane/2 throttle, but fifty-fifty so, I burned almost exactly 6.five gallons of fuel. I was and then concerned at the halfway point of that trip that I added i.5 gallons to an apparent half-tank. When I refilled after the trip, the 1.5 gallons were however there... First-class motor. |
| Jim Bennett | posted 01-29-2006 06:43 PM ET (U.s.) Jim, I have previously submitted the following info on Honda ninety 4s with regard to effect of lengthy storage on carburetor/engine behavior. In add-on to ii Whalers at my primary residence in TN, I likewise have an 1997 Aquasport 175 at my townhouse in Florida which I visit infrequently. The Aquasport is powered with a 1998 Honda 90 4-stroke. The engine runs smoothly, quietly and efficiently. The in-between times of my visits to FL have been equally short as 2 months and every bit much every bit six months. Initially I began running carburetors dry in Honda, as had always done with my 2s Merc outboards on Whalers, before storage in my FL garage. After second time of having to have carbs cleaned (~$500 a pop)considering of bottleneck of fine orifices, I proceeded to read transmission and use recommended procedure of disconnecting fuel line from engine and draining each carb with hose. This worked OK for brusk storage periods but after several months storage I all the same had same problem s of diificult starting and rough running. The final time I had carbs serviced (Feb 2005 at different dealer)mechanic told me he had recently been told at Merc training school that best mode to avoid carb issues with long time storage was to detach regular fuel tank and attach small portable tank containing 50:one oil/gas mixture (as for 2 stroke engines) plus gas stabilizer (StaBil) and engine on that for nearly 15 minutes before storing. Since and so I have been back to FL for brief visits in Sept 05 and Dec 05. Both times, in driveway with earmuffs, the engine started fine and ran smoothly on aforementioned tank of fuel. I programme to return late Feb or early Mar this twelvemonth to do some fishing and expect engine to run normally. I should mention that I do have a adept neighbour who occasionally enters my garage and squeezes primer bulb. Just my $.02 of info. Jim |
| LHG | posted 01-29-2006 07:09 PM ET (US) I accept been given exactly the aforementioned information every bit Jim, from 2 separate Mercury dealerships, regarding carbureted engines, 2 or four stroke, and PARTICULARLY with iv-stroke carbs, any make. Run STA-BIL or similar production into them and the carbs before storing, or not using for a calendar month or so. Plainly the 4-strokes accept extremely small orifices and clog up easily. But fifty-fifty for conventional 2-strokes, this works and saves expensive Carb clean-outs and repairs. I have been doing this for my carbed Merc 150, since it is frequently not used for a month or so, and no bug at all. Engine starts instantly. Like Mercury QuickClean/Yamaha RingFree, Sta-bil is inexpensive insurance if y'all accept carbs |
| jimh | posted 01-30-2006 08:57 PM ET (United states of america) I had the chance to drive a nice REVENGE 22 with twin ninety-HP Honda engines. I institute the motors to be very tranquillity at idle. They had very shine power and when running produced a soft bustling sound, much like electric motors. This was somewhat unnerving, as I was more accepted to the loud report of a two-stroke carburetor classic outboard. I suppose in time you could go used to this. |
| boatdryver | posted 01-xxx-2006 09:xi PM ET (US) Yes, I could get used to that pretty apace Jim |
| megawhaler | posted 02-01-2006 11:17 PM ET (U.s.) JimB & LHG, I'll add a well deserved pat on the back for Honda! I've owned Merc's, OMC's and Yamaha's both Old schoolhouse and newer 2000/2003 models. 25-150hp's. They take all come a long way, although I have to say that the Honda has been my favorite by far. The near silent idle..some times I have to wait dorsum, plow the motor to one side and make sure its peeing h2o from the teltale considering I deceit hear the motor running. Other times the cooling splash can be herd over the sound of the motor. Strong, solid torque. INCREDIBLE fuel consumption, quite even at WOT, Neat speed! Never skips a beat. Never a sputter. Starts like the Honda Civic in your driveway....even sounds similar. Definitly the Cadillac of Outboards. (of course the jury is due back presently on the Etec and Verado) HOWEVER, (and this still hasn't inverse my opinion one chip) I did take a Carb trouble.....but it was due to a STUPID, beyond rookie error on my part that I knew was STUPID at the fourth dimension, only did it anyway. I stored the motor at the end of a late season without doing a complete winterization. ( I live on Cape Cod) To make matters worse, it was stored for 2 years....To make things even WORSE, apparently the fuel tanks had taken on quite a flake of water before pulling the boat. To make a short story long, I stored the carbs with Salt water in the carbs...and the bulbs Full of salt water. These carbs turn out to have the SMALLEST!!!orifices (sp) of whatsoever carb I've ever seen. $400each to supersede??...YEA not without a fight. I removed, Boiled them on my Moms stove and replaced three times in a row....No thing how clean they seemed, ALWAYS another flake of salt would float to the summit of *Moms Lobster Pot* ....FINALLY I think I've got all the salt out. Runs like a Cadillac once again! Cheers, |
| jimh | posted 02-01-2006 xi:20 PM ET (Us) How does the lobster taste? |
| PeteB88 | posted 02-01-2006 11:31 PM ET (US) I have heard only never definitively that Honda outboards are either Civic or Accord engines. If that is true, and I think it is, no wonder they are awesome. I had a friend who was a GM engineer and told me some years ago that Honda perfected their engines and vehicles directly equally a result of their total commitment to participation in Forumla One auto racing. I have had two Accords and a bunch of Toyotas. The 87 was really my favorite iv cyl with v speed. 35 - 37 MPG on a 7,000 mile road trip Midwest to Mtn states, Cali, OR, WA, Idaho, Wyo, CO, UT summertime, four full sizers and a torso packed west/ camping gear, coolers and dress. If I repower I volition strongly consider Honda but worry virtually weight. Demand would exist (maybe) for the 13 someday and future Montauk. If they are the car engines modified for marine I empathize them much better than I do regular outboards which are somewhat mysterious to me - except my old school johnsons. Onward. |
| Perry | posted 02-02-2006 12:33 AM ET (US) The BF75 and BF90 are based on the i.6 liter motor from the Honda Borough and the BF135 and BF150 are based on the 2.4 liter motor in the Honda Accordance. |
| bobgilsp | posted 02-02-2006 03:42 PM ET (US) Mark- I believe my Honda 90 has block carb orifices. I'd like to remove them & attempt some cleaning similar to yours during the winter flavour, just oasis't figured out how to remove that plastic air silencer. The top & bottom bolts come up out hands with a 10mm wrench. There seems to exist a 3rd bolt on the inboard side that I can't go to with a wrench. Should I instead try to remove the carbs' bolts up at the intake expanse near the caput? Bob |
| megawhaler | posted 02-04-2006 10:43 AM ET (United states of america) Jimh: The Lobsta still tastes wicked good! PeteB88: Yes, as Perry said, all of the Outboards are based on the Car motors. I'm non kidding. Rev one upwardly in neutral some time....sounds like a borough. |
| megawhaler | posted 02-04-2006 11:01 AM ET (US) bobgilsp, What a PAIN yep! Mine only has 2. Top and bottom. (thats where the piece of cake part ends) The first winterization I did I broke that cover in ii..you can kind of see that it was fabricated in two pieces and fused together. I can at present tear those carbs downwards and off like a Nascar Pit coiffure....but I did it about 5 times in a ii month period. HOWEVER in that location is still at least 2 bolts/studs on the inside between the carbs and the manifold that will stump me every time. What i figure they did at the manufactory was bolted the carbs to the manifold on a Demote...so bolted them as a gear up onto the block! !@#$%^ Im sure my 50hp looks a trivial dissimilar, but I empathize what you are going thru. Just keep telling yourself that there has to exist a tool out at that place to go in at that place with....something to keep in mind, at least 2 of my bolts Dont come all the way out. They unthread from the block...then stay in ear of the carb and you remove the carb with the stud nonetheless hanging. (hope i explained that ok) Now that I look back....your however left at step I...removing the plastic silencer... dont know what to tell you. I guess just grab a couple of beers, a stool and stare at it for a while....:) |
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